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CNBC
Dec 2, 2012 7:30pm EST
at year-end tax time. we'll have important advice. >>> and he went from living on the street to living in the lap of luxury. john paul dejoria's remarkable ride. you went from homeless to a billionaire. the "wall street journal report" begins right now. >> here's a look at what is making news as we head to a new week on wall street. in washington, posturing politics and high-stakes poker with america's economy at stake. president obama's initial offer on the fiscal cliff was resoundingly rejected by republicans. it included a $1.6 trillion tax increase, double what he campaigned on. also included $400 billion in entitlement cuts eliminating the need for congressional approval to a raise the debt ceiling. the markets rebounded later in the week following the latest hopes on a fiscal cliff agreement. america's economy grew at a faster pace than initially expected in the third quarter of the year. the second reading of the gross domestic product showed it at rate of 2.7% spurred by stronger inventories and exports. the securities and exchange commission is looking for a new chairma
CNBC
Dec 3, 2012 7:00pm EST
hand and once again it solely is because it doesn't raise tax rates on the rich. when is obama going to rise above that obsession? when will he lose that over rich people and tax rates? i don't know. tonight, i'm is going to try to call his bluff. anyway, also breaking tonight, potential catastrophe if syria uses its chemical weapons. president obama issues a stern warning to syria and i quote the world is watching. and there will be consequences if syria uses these wmds. have we just committed ourselves to another war? and the gun control debate is squarely back in the spotlight tonight after the murder/suicide by nfl player in kansas city, second amendment instead of blaming the sick people who use them. republicans have responded to a fiscal cliff counter offer to president obama. eamon javers joins us now from washington with all the details. good evening. >> reporter: good evening. leapt me walk you through the specifics or at least what specifics we have so far from this boehner counter offer and you can see where it falls short from the white house's perspective right in the t
CNBC
Dec 3, 2012 5:00pm EST
taxes don't data. what about taxes. his take on the cliff hanger and why investors shouldn't worry about taxes. and dell trade or trap? goldman jumps on the band wagon. 2012 gold rush. why are americans stocking up on gold coins? is it another way to say diversify? we have to get straight to our top story and tonight that is will the cliff ruin christmas? the rhetoric cnbc has the latest including the white house response to the gop proposal. >> just within the past few minutes we have gotten the white house's response to the boehner counter proposal to the white house proposal last week. the white house doesn't like the proposal from bane kpp today. dan fifer saying the republican la letter does not meet the balance and sticks the middle class with the bill. clearly what we are seeing is a negotiation. the white house doesn't like what they have been presented and now the offers and counteroffers will continue to fly and will start to get a little more close to one another. neither one of these as they have been laid out is anywhere near where people expect we will end up for a fi
CNBC
Dec 4, 2012 7:00pm EST
that $800 billion of tax increases were offered. but he got the backing of mitch mcconnel. take a listen to what he had to say. >> i think it sis important tha the house leadership is trying to mov move it forward. i had hoped that we would be accomplishing more in the real talks. but i can tell you, there is nothing going on privately that is not going on publicly. even as he has to deal with this rebellion. he has to deal with democrats and harry reid's comments today give you a sense of where they are coming from. >> they have to come up with specific revenue. and they refuse to do that. it is a simple question of arithmetic. you can't get from here to there unless you raise the rates. so as you know in washington, a rebellion in the ranks like this could be a problem. but in the spohort-term, if it remains constrained. it could be a good negotiating term. he could say i have offered everything that i have and still get this thing passed. you know, i never hear the discussion about spending. i'm not saying you. it is about taxes and revenues. they are supposed to have a $1.2 tr
CNBC
Nov 30, 2012 7:00pm EST
. deals are being done to sell companies. stocks, homes, dividends, almost anything to avoid a big tax wallop after the first of the year. you see, folks, as i've said for so long, taxes do matter. later on we're going to tell you exactly why. first up the president place santa claus. white house press secretary finds spending cuts deeply irresponsible. for all this and more joining us now is katie pavlich. what speaker john boehner has always said, a dollar tax increase, a dollar spending cuts. >> president obama who jay carney represents during his daily press briefings at the white house wants an unlimited debt limit. he wants no debt ceiling on the amount of money that he can spend. so jay carney is taking shots at john boehner who has said look it's not a serious discussion about how we're going to solve the fiscal problem unless of course we match spending cuts to the number of dollars we increase in the debt limit. >> do you think that could pass congress in all seriousness? no more debt limit? no more power of the purse strings? >> no. >> that's insane. i think it's in the cons
CNBC
Nov 29, 2012 3:00pm EST
, have ridden the train of dividend paying stocks. if we go over the cliff and dividend taxes -- >> not so much. well over 60% of mutual funds are held in qualified plans. >> that doesn't matter. >> it does matter. >> 40% of the investors are going to be subject to 43.4% dividend taxes. those shares go down in price, and it affecting people who have pension plans. >> maybe, but a lot of people like insiders and other types of long-term institutions are not going to sell their stock based on a 15% dividend tax rate. >> you don't think they're going to sell if dividend taxes go to 44%? >> i don't. i'm in the minority here. the stock market has done better when the dividend tax rate was considerably higher than it's been for the last ten years. >> but 44%, christian? >> well, it is certainly a lot. a lot of it is tax shelter. it's not going to hit everybody and have quite the impact everyone expects. >> ron and rick, we haven't forgotten about you guys. how do you play this while we go through this volatile period before the end of the year? >> i think the market's finished disco
CNBC
Nov 29, 2012 7:00pm EST
just hearing tonight about outrageous demands from democrats where a $1.6 trillion tax hike and get this, a $50 billion economic stimulus program. ? i thought this was about cutting spending, not raising it. republican leaders rejected these offers, no surprise. my two cents? republicans ought to stick to their guns on this one, stay with the low tax and spending principles. the democrats are bluffing. when they talk about letting the tax cuts expire and bringing on a recession, i don't believe that bluff. president obama would become a herbert hoover with two recessions on his watch. he can't let that happen. obama did not be hoover. therefore the democrats cannot let all the tax cuts expire without a good deal. unfortunately the cliff talks have charities frightening. they're worried the deduction will be slashed. ivity a contrarian view about this that is going to surprise you on the charitable deductions. and if she wasn't already in enough hot water over the benghazi mess, there's a just breaking report out tonight u.n. ambassador susan rice has heavy jeismts in energy companie
CNBC
Dec 5, 2012 7:00pm EST
cliff unless tax rates go up. at the same time, two dozen republican house members signed a bipartisan letter with democrats defecting from the boehner plan. in the meantime, a nice game for the day for the dow, but a stunning selloff for apple. do you know what? fiscal cliff or not, the s&p 500 is up 12% year to date. that is a handsome gain for investors, an optimistic year, believe it or not. and we already bailed out detroit's auto industry. but now, at least one motown politician is telling president obama he should bail out detroit bankrupt city government, too. this sure isn't the free market, and i asked why should a texas taxpayer bail out detroit? >>> breaking news from syria, and it is a blockbuster. the assad regime is walking and loading its chemical weapons, ready to use them on its own people. nbc's chief pentagon correspondent joins us now. jim, is this the red line president obama was warning about? >> well, not quite yet. u.s. officials tell us that the syrian military is poised to use chemical weapons against their own people, and all it would take really is the fina
CNBC
Dec 5, 2012 4:00pm EST
some big reforms on medicare and medica medicare, social security is, any of the retirement or tax issues, but i'll tell you this. i think that all these stories aren't necessarily going lead us to the truth. i personally have a very size way i'm approaching this. the president is supposed to leave for a 21-day vacation in hawaii on december 17th. where he is on december 18th will tell me, and i think the markets will pay attention. i find it hard to believe, and i agree with bill and many, who are very not amused by the house taking their long weekend. i'm sure that the president would have no intentions of leaving until these issues are resolved. i think the market is being kind, but i think it's a timing issue. >> yeah, i think that's a good point. somebody mentioned the other day that the president is planning a trip to hawaii on december 17th. i said, what? they said, no, no, no, not unless the deal is done. we'll see about that. meanwhile, the house goes away for a lock weekend. all right, rob. what do you think? you think we're going to get a deal done by the year end? >> i
CNBC
Dec 5, 2012 4:00am EST
president obama is pushing forward his tax for the wealthy agenda. george osbourne is going to update today. the chancellor will have his work cut out to meet his target of eradicating the federal deficit by 2015 as well as securing a fall to gdp ratio. also expected further pressure with a cut to its growth forecast. steve is braving rather inclement british winter weather outside the houses of parliament. >> lovely. >> i know you like it. how much is it going to be raining on george osbourne's parade? >> it's going to rain on his parade. you just nailed it, ross. three things which are going to come up today, which he has very little control over. one is that obr reckoning on the uk economy. thought only back in march it was going to grow -- pain a negative growth for the year. next year they thought it was going to be 2% growth. it's probably only going to be 1%. in terms of those two targets you mentioned, eradicating the structural deficit in a five-year period, that's going to have another couple of years. >> right. now, there we go. you can see jim there in egypt. i wonder whet
CNBC
Nov 30, 2012 2:00pm EST
tax revenue if something else happens. we'll tell what you that is. >>> where is john mcafee? the millionaire is still on the run in central america. le call in to the show this hour with how he has been surviving. it is an interview you will not want to miss. >>> plus, are you overtaxed? maybe. but not by uncle sam. we'll tell you why. >>> and why it may be the end of the road for detroit. one state senator's plan to dissolve the city. he is your guest. happy friday, everybody. mandy will be back on monday. i'm brian sullivan. thank you very much for joining us. >>> stocks relatively in a holding pattern again all ahead of the fiscal cliff. we're not seeing big moves. people unwilling to take bets. we're going to get to bob pisani in just a minute. >>> but first we need to get to eamon javers with some breaking headlines from mitch mcconnell on the fiscal cliff. eamon? >> brian, we're getting a trial balloon here just within the past couple of minutes from mitch mcconnell. he's the senate republican leader responding now to the president's proposal of yesterday. mcconnell telling
CNBC
Dec 3, 2012 4:00pm EST
attacked at 15% capital gains tax or dividend tax as opposed to much higher because we know that taxes will probably go higher in 2013. oracle is accelerating payments of 2013 dif dens. they're going to pay second quarter, third quarter and fourth quarter dividends this month. gordon, what has that done to trading and investing environment? all these special dividends. oracle is doing it now, second quarter, third quarter dividends this month so investors can get taxed at the 2012 dividend rate. >> it's bigger than that because it's not only the corporation themselves but corporate executives. cashing out options looking for preferential tax treatment there as well. that's just prudent corporate management. you can't fault them. stocks paying special dividends have been outperforming the spx in the time period since this started happening. in some ways in the convoluted way it's been a positive for the market. >> oracle is down, though o this news. >> oracle is down right now. gordon, you make a really good point. that's where the performance has been, the conditions paying these
CNBC
Nov 29, 2012 6:00am EST
again up to 250 you get the tax break? all the same stuff.the last two? telling everyone again up to 250 you get the tax break? all the same stuff.last two yea? telling everyone again up to 250 you get the tax break? all the same stuff. same tone, same people. >> did you see this, obama is flexible on highest tax rates. >> administration official. white house officials later signaled that. he didn't signal it in anything he said. >> i spoke to a couple who were at the meeting yesterday, some of the executives, who felt, and this is like the implied feeling that he was now more willing to deal on the highest rate. >> did you hear anything about spending cuts or entitlement reform? >> two conversations are taking place. one if the public trying to get them behind you. the other is whether you're actually saying to the people you're negotiating with. and when you saw the signal, it was like, okay, maybe they'll get to that, i don't know, 37% or 500,000 or something. what we had been talking about two weeks ago. maybe that's where they're headed. stocks did gain ground on optimism around the
CNBC
Dec 3, 2012 6:00am EST
thirds tax hikes, one third tax cuts. and i remember saying do you think this will work, they're raising the v.a.t. tax and i understand italian household debt isn't that high, but they were trying to tax their way out of a massive debt problem and in fact receipts went down, consumption fell to 4.25 annualized rate and the situation got much worse. today italy has zero nominal gdp grets. and they're funding at 4.5%. that is a bad business model. spain same story. so when you bnk our package and what's been offered so are far which appears like $1.6 trillion in tax hikes against $400 billion of entitlement cuts over time, that's an even worse mix than the two-thirds/one-third european structure that really has gotten a negative reaction. >> how much is because of the mix and how much of it just this is what austerity looks like? >> is the money in capping deductions or raising marginal tax rates? it's in capping deductions. but that's tough because you have to tell someone no like the housing lobby or charitable contributions. >> capping deductions seems line the easiest. >> it s
CNBC
Dec 6, 2012 4:00pm EST
of tax changes and withholding. talk to us about that. >> the fiscal cliff, one of the things if we're really going to go over it and change the tax basis, the treasury has to call on corporate america to change the withholding tables. all of us get taxes withheld. if they're going to change what rate i'm going to be taxed at, they're going to have to change that table. that's not an overnight process. certainly, the treasury can't afford to let that go too long because everybody will be underwithheld. they'll get a big tax bill. there will be a riot among the people if that happens. what i'm watching is the treasury. if they get nervous enough, they'll ask them to change the tax tables. so far it looks like they smell a deal and haven't asked for it yet. you think we're going to get a deal? >> i think they may try to push it to the end. the other thing i'm watching for is the 17th when the president is due to take his family to hawaii. i don't think he wants to be in hawaii without a deal. something is going to come up. >> ron, what about you? >> i thought the resignation of sen
CNBC
Nov 30, 2012 1:00pm EST
road to pennsylvania where he tore this toy factory up there. basically making the case for his tax cuts but he had a chance to make a toy factory joke as presidents are want to do. he said he's got a naughty and nice list back in washington. he's got certain congressmen in mind to be on that naughty and nice list. but take a listen to what the president said making the case that this is all about tax cuts for the rich and republicans wanting to preserve those. >> what's riding on this debate. this is too important to our economy. it is too important for our families to not get it done. it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it is acceptable to you for just a handful of republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. >> then one of those congressmen who's presumably on the president's naughty list today, speaker john boehner, who came out just a few minutes after the president spoke. he talked here on capitol hill a little bit about the stalemate that he sees these talks being at this point.
CNBC
Nov 30, 2012 6:00am EST
rejecting president obama's proposal which includes a $1.6 trillion tax increase, a $50 billion economic stimulus package and new power to increase the debt ceiling without congressional approval. the offer featured higher tax rates for households making over $250,000 a year. a one year postponement of the sequester and about $400 billion in savings over ten years for medicare and other entitlement programs. >> despite the claims that the president supports a -- >> thousand is the time fnow is republicans to move past the happy talk about revenues, ill defined, of course, and put specifics on the table. the president has made his proposal. we need a proposal from them. >> today president obama is taking his pitch on the road. he will be visiting the philadelphia suburbs employing campaign style tactics in hopes of mobilizing the public to his side. he'll be speaking at a manufacturing facility arguing that businesses it depend on middle class consumers over the holiday season. despite all this, you see the futures today indicating higher. dow up by about 35. does that surprise you guys?
CNBC
Dec 4, 2012 4:00pm EST
some sort of resolution. they'll come up with some tax cuts, some breaks in spending, and probably kick the can down the road on a lot of it. i love the way this market is acting. it's not selling off with all the bad news, all the bickering, all the bad words on each side. you've got to love the way that this market is holding up here. doesn't mean investors need to be carefree, but overall, it looks like the market is setting up with a lot of negative sentiment out there. looks like there's a lot of opportunity for a big run higher once we get some form of resolution. i really believe we're going to get it. >> you think by year end? >> i really do. i think they want to go home for christmas. they're not going to want to not go home for christmas. you can always count on politicians to do the right thing when all other options have been exploited. they're going to finally get there because they have to. they're not going to solve 100% of it right away. >> jump in, abbigail. >> i think it's too early to be bearish or bullish, for that matter. i think that if we look back to last ye
CNBC
Dec 6, 2012 6:00am EST
requirements. and then there's the fiscal cliff. analysts citing fears about a hike in capital gains tax in 2013. rick santelli has been talking about this, though, the things that were up in 2012, those are the things being sold now, whether that be gold or any number of assets that rose appreciably over the course of the last year. we'll be talking about the future of apple and the outlook for its stock a little later this morning with jonathan geller of the boy genius report. >> good old bump on the road on the way to a trillion dollar market cap. got to 600 pretty easily. and now it's back at 500. above 600 i guess. tough to get to a trillion dollar market cap. cisco got to 600 billion once, too. it's at 100 billion. apple still at 500. we talked about are they going to come out with the chartreuse slightly smaller mini ipad. and that's going to be the -- a lot of people waiting in line for that one. >> i do have to say, i'm in the market for a mini ipad. >> not for the max ipad? >> no, i want something smaller to carry around, but bigger than my phone. >> i have a hard time seeing m
CNBC
Nov 30, 2012 9:00am EST
1.6 trillion in tax hikes. republicans in morning balking and cliff fears prompt another company to issue a dividend and it's whole foods. >> owner of taco bell, kfc, have warned that sales hit the skids. the shares yesterday hit a fresh high. >>> facebook unlikes zynga. zynga shares are plummeting this morning on the news. >>> never an ego boost for the ceo when the stock falls on the news that he's keeping his job. that's exactly what's happening with groupon as the board keeps andrew mason. >>> the president heading to a pennsylvania factory this morning. republicans have given a thumbs down to the president's plan which includes a $1.6 trillion tax increase, 50 billion in infrastructure spending for next year and limited entitlements cuts. more companies issue special dividends. whole foods will pay $2 a share. kbw yesterday. what's more interesting to you, jim? the cliff discussion and madness or the notion that these companies said we were not managing our balance sheet in the most efficient way. >> i'm a huge fan of whole foods. been recommending them on "mad money" for many,
CNBC
Dec 3, 2012 2:00pm EST
optimism about a greek resolution. in the other corner, continued worries about what else? tax hikes and spending cuts. notice i did not call it the fiscal cliff. so ultimately which wins out? let's ask gina sanchez, director of equity and asset allocation at rubini global economics. dan, i know you've been traveling, london, san fran, all parts in between last couple of weeks. how concerned are your clients about what's going to happen on january 1st? >> it's not so much that they're concerned about what happens on january 1st because i think the bulk of our meetings have focused on the fact that this isn't really a cliff so much as a lot of people have been saying a slope. more importantly to your first question, i have been on the road for the better part of 2 1/2 months now. i don't really get many questions or have many debates about greece or spain anymore. i think there's definitely a back burner element to what's going on in europe as people focus whether it happens on january 1st or not on the fiscal cliff. >> let me follow up with that real quick. here's the thing -- the greek
CNBC
Nov 30, 2012 3:00pm EST
biggest issue is the taxes surrounding munis. that was started in '07. all-time new highs today. even if you look at the lipper or barclay indices, it reflects the same thing. in a way, it's sad. in a way, it isn't. it underscores all of these tax implications that are moving trades are counterproductive to the democratic theme because they are circumventing the positives that are supposed to be through tax structure. i guess it really argues for reform. if all the money you're supposed to get from these companies is getting pulled into today's tax rates. >> what about that market? there are those who say get into the high yield, go to the munis since taxes are going to go higher. are they expensive now? has that become a crowded trade? is it too late to get into them? >> you know, the way we're looking at it right now is obviously capital is going to chase yield. when you can't get any yield in the form of treasuries, cds, you know, there's not a ton of yield in munis right now p. investment grade bonds don't look as attractive. >> so you're not going to buy them. where are you going
CNBC
Nov 30, 2012 4:00am EST
will take his case for tax hikes on the wealthy to the american people today as the war of words between democrats and republicans over the fiscal cliff heats up. >>> the trading session sitting roughly flat on the stoxx 600. decliners and advancers about even this morning. markets are trying to digest these comments from draghi. first, let's take a look at the bourses. s it is the last trading day of the month. just one left to go in this extraordinary 2012. ibex 35 appropriately enough is ending in the red today. other indexes showing a little bit of a rise here. we've seen spanish and italian debt come in sharply and the yields falling today. we saw the euro-dollar adding almost 0.3%s this morning. dollar-yen up two thirds of a percent in the light of perhaps japan may be getting moring a yes, sir sif on st ing a grefs saggressive on stim. let's get over to deidre wang morr morris. >> yes, the japanese data was good, but also the economy still stuck in deflation. hang seng down half a percent. we had pic stay in focus, not listed yet, but supposed to ipo on december 7th. they
CNBC
Dec 7, 2012 9:00am EST
be a deal. i want spending cut big. democrats, i don't want my taxes raised. as soon as you say that it's okay that we have tax increased, republicans say you're not in favor of spending cuts. i want spending slashed. you can't make up the budget deficit just by raising money from rich people. >> let's talk netflix. receiving wells notice from s.e.c., regulators warning they may bring civil action against the company and the ceo for violating public disclosure rules with a facebook post. back on july 3rd, the ceo posting netflix a monthly viewing exceeded 1 billion hours for the first time ever in june. the s.e.c. requires public companies to make the information public. hastings says he didn't believe the facebook post was material information although that day the stock was up 13%. in a letter yesterday, he also suggested the fact the post was assessable to more than 245,000 subscribers to the page makes it very public. you can choose to disclose information through other venues considered fair that may reach fewer people at the end of the day. >> ain't up to you. it's up to t
CNBC
Dec 7, 2012 3:00pm EST
hear you guys say it. give it a crack, jim. >> clarity. i think some kind of clarity as to what tax rates are going to be in a mere 3 1/2 weeks. so that we can start is making some kind of plan. right now the market's on hold. we're all waiting. >> do we need just a plan, or does it have to be a good plan, jim? >> i think a good plan would obviously be a better plan. a good plan would be less taxes going up than more taxes going up. at this point, even a bad plan might be better than no plan. >> austin, it's clear from this jobs report the economy is stuck in second gear. what's it going to take to get to a higher gear right now, do you think? >> i think we got to get the growth rate up in the economy. certainly europe's not any help. what's happening in china and japan is not any help. then you add on top of it what's coming out of washington. i don't think you should get your hopes up about figuring it out before the end of this year. i think there's a pretty deept chance we go over the cliff and then try to sort it out in the beginning of the year. >> lovely. >> joe, when did 146
CNBC
Dec 4, 2012 11:00pm EST
an astounding 4.22%. scoop it up. but, may not be the protection. it doubles the tax on dividends. can't be in there saying -- darden. one of the biggest retail juggernauts. the gap. sales have become sloppy to surrender $3.57 or 10%. although that doesn't spell the death of retailers, we go off the charts tonight. sectors are really doing -- how are they doing? we just witnessed -- relentless pressure in the oil sector. the department doesn't believe going over the cliff will stifle energy command. today is the first day when the group got any lift at all. so what do we do? people are worried the economy is slowing because of the cliff. so what do we do? is it game over for equities should i take my -- hall of fame today and just go home? no, no, no. let me first say absolutely not. we simply have to get eveninger to a cliff resolution or to a situation where no one expects resolution. going with the latter, hey, that is new. let me walk you through here. today last week. last week, genuine hope a deal would get done. today, last week. if you recall, we heard from a host of execu
CNBC
Dec 5, 2012 2:00pm EST
, the impact here is really focused on the rates, tax rates. that's where we're going to be seeing this negotiation over the next couple of days. that's where we've been for the past year-and-a-half. no indication yet that the logjam is breaking there exactly, but courtney, some movement here may be a little bit in tone in washington. so that's something. >> that's something. we'll take whatever we can get at this point i think, eamon. thank you very much. we'll check back in with you. >>> now we found bob pisani. he's on the floor of the new york stock exchange. >> we've been talking about what's going on in the day and why this rally in the middle of the day. take a look. this is what everybody's talking about here. there have been vague rumors that the republicans may be breaking ranks a little bit and some may be willing to accept tax hikes. that would be a break-through if we can. of course the question is what to do on the spending side but one step at a time. it is still very vague as you heard from eamon. apple has been a big question. there's a lot of complicated things go
CNBC
Dec 3, 2012 9:00am EST
the deficit and avoid a raft of tax hikes and spending cuts. yesterday our own jim cramer and maria bartiromo were on "meet the press" and cramer had a message for fellow panelists and father of the anti-tax pledge, grover norquist. >> most ceos are republican. they're on board. they're not on board with you. they're not on board with you because they fear your view. they think you do not favor going -- you favor going over the cliff. that's what they think. they think that you favor -- >> just for the record since we're on tv. that's silly if they think that they shouldn't be ceos. >> it doesn't really matter. that's what they think. >> i want you to walk me up to that moment. >> behind the record. i like that too. >> i'm stuck. like grover is stuck with this pledge he made everybody take which is that they have to go over the cliff because they obviously will not ever say the word tax. they will only say revenue. i'm stuck speaking to many more ceos than grover norquist is. he thinks it's silly. he thinks ceos are silly. i don't think they're silly. they control hiring in this cou
CNBC
Nov 29, 2012 1:00pm EST
some good points. republicans realizes taxes are going to go up, everyone realizes what's going to happen to rates. what we still don't know, what are the democrats proposing to really cut. put on the table, get it out there and let us know what it is. >> how volatile do you think this market is going to be the longer this goes? >> i think if you're the day trader type you absolutely trade it because you love volatility because that's how you're going to make money. if you're the long-term person, i don't think you chase it at all. i think you remain patient, stay on the bid side, let prices come to you because i think they will come to you. the longer this goes on the more frustrated this market is going to get. then it will start to make et cetera own own and we know what happens then. >> thank you, kenny. eggs and purgatory, tyler. that's the recipe of the day. i think it is quite apropos. >>> house speaker boehner voicing his disappointment over the state of the debt talks. so is there still a chance for a deal before the end of the year? here to explore that and more, represen
CNBC
Dec 6, 2012 6:00pm EST
-spirited debates, the pledge is not to raise taxes, it's costing this nation a once in a lifetime opportunity to reassert itself as the leader of the free world. and faster growing the repressive communist world to boot. you are in the ability to give us a deal, any deal is crushing our economy. allow me to explain. since i read @jimcramer on tw twitter people say i'm biased. i believe that the compromise that all the common sense people are looking for, some combination of spending cuts, higher taxes and pro-growth initiatives doesn't come into play anymore in washington. too many pledges, too much ideology. i l am part of the 2% that's going to have to pay more. i have the highest effective tax rate possible, 48% for a variety of reasons. but i am willing to pay more because i used to pay more at one time and i'm grateful for what this country has done for me. i know that those of us are lucky enough to have done well in this country have had a really good run and it's time to show gratefulness, even if we think the government may be profligate with our money. enough already! i
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Dec 5, 2012 5:00pm EST
rally, the aussie dollar would rally. >> is that because of the tax -- not the tax, the rate cut. >> well, right. they did have the rate cut. the day they have the rate cut the aussie dollar rose. you would think there would be some momentum in that. there really wasn't any momentum. that concerned me a bit. >> we were talking about apple. we talked about it last night. see what we had to do on the set last night. >> fundamentals, revenues slowing. earnings growth is slowing. potentially margins have been peaking. >> that is something that if somebody put that chart in front of you and didn't tell you what it was, you would not be buying it. you'd say, that rally is something to be sold. >> i will say that apple is much more than a chart, apple is an ecosystem. apple is something that people love in terms of its products and so, therefore, why can't it transcend just being a chart with a technical breakdown? >> the emotion, it's amazing the emotion that this stock brings out in folks. we could say something negative about cat tractor. we'll talk about freeport mak and nobody will
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ever that republicans who have impure thoughts about violating his no new tax pledge will be targeted at the primary level by tea party members. i'm taking this masterful behind-the-scenes player at his word that he controls almost all the republicans. because almost all of them signed his oath. so a deal could be tough. plus i'm now calling for no vacation without legislation. no vacation without legislation. because the holidays are slated to begin in a couple of weeks. which doesn't give enough time to get the job done. so you have one side that ins t insisting on tax increases, and then you have the other side which has pledged no tax increases which assure those deal can occur. after all, even if the president offered heavy-duty spending cuts like he did during the debt ceiling fight, the republicans can't compromise because of their blood oath in norquist. they aren't allowed to and the president's bottom line seems to have hardened. doesn't it seem to you like he thinks that the wealthy and those who own stocks are exactly the same? now as far as the public not knowing what awa
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bush tax cuts until december 17th. they didn't handle the payroll tax until december 23rd. i lived inside the beltway. i have a pretty good network on the hill. i think they're going to have some kind of staged in agreement and then agree to attack the entitlement situation in the new year. >> michael, what do you make of what's going on? how do you try and trade this? at least we had some volatility the traders could trade on. now we don't have that. >> i think the lower volatility is telling you this is an extremely resilient stock market. i've been calling this the rocky balboa stock market. the entire scenario playing out is the fiscal cliff ends up being bullish no matter what. spending cuts makes bonds rise, yields fall and making stocks paradoxically even more attractive. they become the new bonds. >> alan, can you tell from option activity which way the markets are betting right now, presuming that not going over the fiscal cliff would be positive for stocks and going over the cliff would be negative? what's the market betting on right now? >> well, i won't even make that p
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because it's been holding up extremely well. remember all those concerns about higher taxes on dividend? the dow utilities bottomed several weeks ago. okay, it is not a gigantic move but the slope has been upward. utilities are among market leaders today. all right, fractional but it is a fairly broad advance. what about those concerns about the mortgage interest desucduct? nice little advance in some of the home builders. pending home sales above expectations. the market believes some kind of deal is coming and that it is going to be substantive. if it doesn't happen, then we're all going to pay the price in the next month or so. >> a lot of prices to be paid. >>> as the market is clearly blowing in the breeze with every single comment from both sides of the political aisle, we wonder whether or not these comments are anything more than just hot air. eamon javers, what say you? >> well, there's a lot of hot air up here on capitol hill, mandy. i just had the chance -- not that he was talking about hot air, but i just spoke briefly with former republican vice presidential candid
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. jim mcnerny says including meaningful and comprehensive tax and entitlement reforms. this is the number one story that we've been talking about every morning here since the election. fiscal cliff, big, big issue. there are now, it seems, growing numbers of people on both the right and the left who would like to see us just go over that fiscal cliff. how big of a problem would that be? >> that would be a big problem. i actually still believe that those -- the democrats, the administration, republicans in the final analysis don't want to see that happen. they do understand that not only would that present a problem in the near term as we went over the cliff at the end of the year, but we still then have the whole debt ceiling fight that would transpire shortly into the new year. the issue isn't simply the negative result of going over the cliff, but it's also that business, consumers, everybody continues to hold back on the uncertainty. and we believe the economy is pretty well positioned potentially in 2013 if we can put this behind us. so i think a lot of what's going on is what
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there may be some republican members starting to break ranks with the leadership on the tax issue. there's talk now that some republicans might be willing to accept higher taxes for the wealthy. this would be a break-through. we're monitoring that. now to what sue was talking about on apple. there are some firms raising margin requirements. i think the main catalyst today was an at&t investor conference where executives of at&t gave sales figures for smartphones for the first two months of the quarter that basically implied sales will be flat for the quarter compared to the same period last year. this includes smartphones, samsung as well as the iphone. the concern is that iphone sales might disappoint a little bit here. ipad shares may be on the weak side of the tablet market. >>> citigroup laying off 1,000 people and the financials are the bright spot of the day. very depressing story, frankly. >> it is at this time year to lose that many jobs. thank you, bob pisani. we'll cover apple in-depth later in the hour. >>> it is worth taking another look at citi. trading up almost 6.5%
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see you both today. is the white house going to accept anything but tax rates going up? >> well, they've never completely closed the door on that. >> it's like maybe just a crack, and i mean it's a small crack. >> yeah, and it's a very small crack and it might even be closing. they are very much about the high higher rates. the thing that i think the white house is having legitimate problems with in this new offer from john boehner is the lack of specificity. tony and i argued this a lot. he makes a great point. do we have to argue about rates versus base? is we can talk about base. and at this point republicans have done the same thing mitt romney was doing. $800 billion in new revenues from unspecified chose urs. the time for that is past. i'm glad they're coming with a counteroffer. they have to put specifics on the table. >> tony, under any circumstances, as you sit here right now, are republicans going to agree to let tax rates increa increase? >> look, i find that almost impossible for republicans to do, at least before december 31. i think everyone understands that it is
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go over the fiscal cliff if republicans don't give in on higher taxes on the wealthy. you can see we're weighted to the up side by a ratio of 8:1 at the moment. finland is not trading today, so you may see some quotes not doing very well. we saw apple stock having the biggest loss in four years. the ftse yesterday slim gains really. up 0.4%, the dax up a quarter of a percent. is this a this is where we stand as we wait for the announcements from the ecb. we're up at a 52 week high for the xetra dax. cac 40 up half a percent and ibex up half a percent, as well. take a look at bond yields. we looked at that auction yesterday from spain. they raised 4.3 billion. years went lower. nevertheless spanish yields today 5.4%, slightly lower from where we closed, but they did move up substantially after a handle of 5.2. we'll keep our eye on gilts, as well. we'll look ahead to the bank of england. nothing expected from them, of course. 1.8%. david miles was the only man who voted for more qe at the last meeting. as far as currency rates are concerned, euro-dollar at the moment 1.3068, just b
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into this year, a lag next year. pretty obvious how this works. in terms of tax planning, let hope they know to take account of this. the argument will argue how great this is working and when there's a shortfall, how did that happen. so i hope we don't go that route. but this administration has been very big on these kinds of things, basically distorting what's going on and this current thing about the mandate really bothers me. so i woouldn't -- >> i think the challenge is being forward looking. there's big challenges not just because the challenge in terms of getting all the information, but also if win terms of trying make the budget numbers look good and you never really want to take that hit. so you want to pull forward as much -- >> and i don't know how many assumptions you can make, but when and you have tax policy that changes every six months or a year and you don't know what's coming, obviously the lead story in the "wall street journal" is about charitable giving and in some cases people are even paying their mortgage in advance. >> some people think that money is bette
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like cuts as well as taxes, then we're going to be closer to the cliff. that's why all these special dividends. that's why costco borrowed $3 billion to pay that $7 special, judge. that's not a good sign. >> josh, yesterday the dow was up 100 then down 100 -- or down 100 then up 100, whatever you want to say, for the first time in a year, since october 2011. >> i have friends in the swing trade community. i got to tell you i have not heard this much negativity from these guys. these are guys that will typically put on a position for one to five days. they say this atmosphere right now is really difficult because it's almost a coin toss what's going to happen from one hour to the next when we're back in this headline mode. that's exactly where we are. i think if you're an investor here and you're looking to capture some of these whip saw moves, really have to know what you're doing. if not stick with what you like and stay liquid which has been the approach we've taken. >> joe, amazing volatility in the market. 200 point swing for the dow yesterday. almost an 80 point swing already th
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they're doing in washington on tax and regulatory policy. in the near term, the fiscal cliff prevails. in the longer term, the fed will prevail. there's so much mistrust on stocks that i think that still can be a positive catalyst for stocks relative to traditional bonds over the next 12 months. >> i'm going to push back a little bit on that. >> i'm going to break the tie in ralph's favor. >> david, i want to push back a little bit on that. in terms of -- like, is the fed really that much of a factor these days now in terms of keeping the market afloat? >> absolutely. >> it's not losing its bang for its buck? >> it's not as powerful as it was in the fall of 2008 or even 2010, but when you consider that, u.s., long bonds, 1.5%. short-term interest rates, zero. negative on an inflation adjusted basis. the cost of capital is so low. i firmly believe in my lifetime this is the most aggressive fed easing we'll see in the last 5i years. that's what's so powerful. >> i think he just hit the ball into your court. >> i don't know how to say it anymore than that. >> i don't know how much more it co
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view. if we take the plunge over the two million jobs. makes everyone pay more in taxes. i don't really want to have this gear. the president said today he thought a deal could be done by christmas. the speaker of the house said he's optimistic a compromise could be reached. i wear this pin every night in in part because i genuinely believe it is not a lost cause. tonight business leaders in washington are urging a deal. people who are not really known as pals of the president. the president also bringing his pressure to bear on small regular people, regular folks. now we use the word "folks" all the time and i'm old enough to remember when it meant my parents. he's turned to twitter to talk about the evil consequences of cliff jumping. let me tell you, why all this talk may end up being nothing but big hat and no cattle. small business people, twitter followers. they don't follow this. congress does. what we're seeing now is something which was supposed to be totally draconian, increases in old tax rates, coupled with automatic cuts in spending may not be unpalatable to change t
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protection it used to be. that more than doubles the tax on dividends. we saw one of the biggest retail jugger nauts, the gap. sales have become sloppy to surrender $3.57 or 10%. although that doesn't spell the death of retailers, we go off the charts tonight. and we witnessed downward pressure in the oil sector. today is the first day when the group got any lift at all. so what do we do? is it game over for equities should i go home? no, no, no. let me first say absolutely not. we have to get either to a cliff resolution, or so the situation where no one expects the resolution. going with the latter, hey, that is new. let me walk you through here. today last week. if you recall, we heard from a host of executives. they felt like compromise was in the air. it was real and eminent. we heard from the ceo of goldman sachs. it could be hammered out without real difficulty if it were in the private sector. when i heard those execs touch base with them and spoke with them on both sides of the aisle i thought there would be more common ground. that the common ground somewhat a loser. an
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a moment with information on a bipartisan letter from lawmakers that's. putting tax hikes and entitlement cuts firmly on the table. >> i'm bill griffeth. let's show you, and the charts tell the day's story, as it usually does. can you get when the president began speaking at business round table and we learned that at least 40 house republicans are breaking ranks to talk about anything, all possibilities as they said in an open letter. right now the dow is up 110, near the highs of the day. 13,062.59. the nasdaq is going the other direction. blame apple and overall technology having a tough day. down 13 points right now on the nasdaq at 2982. the s&p is holding with a gain of about five points. we'll have more on the markets in a moment. first, let's get to what's going on in washington. more republicans breaking ranks to join what we hope will be a bipartisan call for higher tax rates and entitlement cuts. eamon javers on capitol hill has the very latest details for us. eamon. >> reporter: hi, bill. that letter does call for the speaker to negotiate, including all options on
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trillion in tax increases up front as part of any new deal. the white house wanting to continue the payroll tax credit or similar policy. the white house saying that it wants a permanent increase in the debt limit and pushing a one-year extension of jobless benefits plans. this one will be the kicker, i think, to any deal that might or might not get hashed out on capitol hill. "the wall street journal" reporting that republican aides are saying that the white house would like to see at least $50 billion in new spending to spur the economy. so in a debate we're seeing over spending cuts, "the wall street journal" now reporting at the top of this hour that the white house would like to see $50 billion in new spending. that's a new one. that might figure into a little bit of the rankor we saw on capitol hill. it goes against what harry reid told me today. i asked the democratic leader in the senate whether or not geithner had made a specific new offer today. he told me no, no new offer from geithner today. he said that the president had made the democrats' offer two weeks ago. clearly,
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compromise. so listen to me. the tax hikes are so severe. [ audience boos ] >> the spending cuts, particularly the cuts to the military, are so draconian even some republicans who think a compromise is a total betrayal, they fear the economic consequences of cliff jumping. once a deal is reached. tax rates, tweaks and deductions, it could be game on in 2013. i don't regard this as kicking the can down the road. i believe this will be comprehensive enough to address everything from the roll back to the clinton year capital gains rates dividends. i think it's going to happen. to a plan to keep tax the same for 98% of americans and raise the debt celling so we can at least for a year put washington in the rear-view mirror. wow, can you believe that? there'll be some spending cuts to apiece the republicans, too, once they've bothered to identify the cuts they actually want. as much as some may believe that there's no incentive to run partisanship, the dramatic rates of income these fiscal rates give to tens of millions of americans who happen to be voters. of the 2 million jobs that
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understand the administration's position when it comes to raising taxing on the wealthy, those making more than $250,000. if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. there's no pros teblpect to the agreement that doesn't involve taxes going up on the wealthiest 2%. remember it's only 2%. >> i talk every day to our customers around this country, around the world sometimes for that matter too, but around the country, and they are all scared to death what happens in january, nobody knows, but all i know is going over the cliff is too hot to handle, it's an option we just can't stare in the face and there's no way we can do it. they will get us through this in one form or fashion. >> interesting call. conventional wisdom, obviously the white house and the secretary hardening their line, and a lot of people are saying the republicans are starting to fray, to concede that rates will go higher, maybe not to 39.6% there's discussion in politico that there's a 37% solution. the republicans can say we defended against the worst
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of the fiscal cliff, fearing capital gains, tax hike, fear that china mobile will take longer to start selling the iphone given it's already picked up nokia's latest lumia. reports apple is asking for fewer iphone 5 parts from suppliers and people wrapping that in with fears apple is losing phone market share to android and dealing with compressed margins from ipad mini and other products. as a reporter covering the company i wonder if some of us have crossed over to irrational despondency on apple. tim cook set a high bar in revenue for the quarter, he just had a big opportunity to drop a hint in interviews with nbc's brian williams and bloomberg "business week." so far it seems he didn't do that. iphone 5 supplies coming into balance available to ship in two to four business days online. ipad mini demand outstripped supply which could mean margins are better than apple projected. there are open questions on the pro and con side of apple but the most important ones, these questions can apple ramp iphone supply ahead of the quarter and will depend be there for the smaller ipads i
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tax rates should go for the wealthiest americans. a return to the clinton era tax rates would have households pay between 36% to 39%. the president met with a group of 14 ceos wednesday afternoon. they offered support for resolving the if i can crisis with a proposal for higher taxes for those who make more than a quarter million dollars a year. sdl bo >> both sides have acknowledged that there will be revenue concessions and sbilgtment cent concessio concessions. i'm not a master of the political art here, but i would say if you have these point of views in a business context as close as they are, i would say a deal would be in reach. >> ford chairman bill ford junior agrees with blankfein saying he's confident the obama administration can reach a deal with congress to avoid the fiscal cliff. but speaking with reporters in bangkok, he says the automaker is prepared for any outcome. cnbc has learned the completion of the so-called volcker rule is being delayed until the end of the first quarter of next year instead of the end of this year. the rule which is named for paul volcker b
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willing to rise above politics, and compromise to cut spending and increase taxes. yes, that's the actual compromise radical middle position as dave cote from honeywell says, and those who simply refuse to accept tax increases or entitlement cuts. given that the president's saying he campaigned and won on a platform of higher taxes for the wealthy and the republicans say they were elected because they pledged to behind the scenes power broker grover norquist they would never raise taxes, it certainly seems like the impasse cannot be solved and we got to go over the cliff. not only do the hard liners refuse to rise above partisanship in order to avoid a government mandated recession, which is what it's tantamount to doing, but we can't even get them to promise no vacation without legislation! >> boo! >> they not only seem mean-spirited, petty, reckless, and angry down there in washington, they're also slothful. have you ever been able to say to your boss, walk in, you know, hey, man i know i've got a huge project due, one that could bring down the whole company if i don't finish, bu
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having to pay a higher tax rate, i get that, but when you can snag high-quality stocks that yield more than 5%, i'm all ears. that's one of the reasons i want to tell you about health care trust of america, a newly minted real estate trust that owns medical office buildings. hga is a very defensive stock. unlike retail reits, it's levered to a sector, health care, that just does fine when the economy goes in recession. look, it's a real possibility if we go off the cliff. plus we have a limited supply of medical office space. this is a nice, steady business. let's take a closer look with scott peters. mr. peters, welcome to "mad money." >> thank you for having me. >> i try all the time to find companies that might be beneficiaries of the affordable health care act. i stumbled on you guys. you're the one? >> we think we are. we've been fortunate. health care systems are now running like businesses. with 30 to 40 million more insured coming up, they need the most affordable location to off those services. those are mobs, they're on campus, and jim, i think over the next 10, 20 years
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around the way it is. specifically people are pointing to, is it for tax reasons? the other day it was for the margins. whatever the reason you're seeing an accelerated move each and every day. i haven't seen a reason to jump back in there yet. i still own the stock but not to add anything to it. i still think there are far better beta names out there to trade. >> doc, are you at odds with your brother? i want to read you stats that are going to shock you. >> please. >> in the past 9 of 11 weeks, $115 billion in market cap washed away from apple. >> yep. >> what does that mean, doc? >> it also add $150 billion in market cap as it ran from those march opening numbers until it got up to 705. so that is the converse of what you just said. as far as apple here, like the fact that it keeps flirting with the death cross because as it has done twice in the past in 2008 and 2011, when it did that, it made big moves to the upside. i think this is all fiscal cliff and tax related selling here. i don't think it's core, that rumor that because they moved up margins -- >> what do you do? your broth
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have these fiscal drags in the form of tax rates and government spending, number one. and number two, are they even close to the mark this year? they haven't been in recent years until we have gotten closer to the end. will this be yet another year where they're wildly off. >> yeah, so i'll answer the second question first. our forecast for 2013 is that we're going to have $99 in s&p earnings. the street is now at $113. i guess the good news is, we see the earnings troughing in the april time frame and beginning to grow after that. so you could have some earnings growth, which is i think more optimistic than where it was a year ago. but the problem is the consensus numbers have to come down. so your question is tricky, josh. i think everyone knows the numbers are going to come down. we're not paying for the $113 now. abo but as they come down, will you be afraid they go way lower. that's really the key debate, right? and i think people could be afraid around the fiscal cliff or around supply issues on oil or europe, you know, looking pretty weak. so there's a number of things tha
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for a deal. is the administration out to break the pledge republicans made to never raise taxes on the rich as per major domo grover norquist, who rivals the congressional leadership control over the very thought patterns of those who signed his pledge. grover's bound to go after republicans with impure thoughts who are being seduced, i heard these words myself on "meet the press," by the democrats. well, of course i was sitting about three feet from him. i wonder, are there enough members of the gop who study higher tax pornography with that seduce stuff? maybe this weekend have the impure thoughts thing we ought to call old-time supreme court justice potter stewart. "i will know it when i see it." sometimes i feel bad for the speaker, speaker boehner. he's caught between the elected obama and the ufrn elected norquist crossfire. there's not a lot of room to maneuver in that space. tuesday we've got two big investor meetings. first there's dell world. dell world? i like kirby's fourth world. there's dell world. is the risk taken out of this one now? it's down so low. or does it ev
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these companies that should be returning cash to share holders and that is irrespective on the tax laws on dividends. if you think there is potential they will change they should be doing it now. >> scott has a web extra on how to spot dividends. >>> time for the upside call where we take a look back on winning trades and give you the next move. when apple shares were in free fall mike made a bullish trade. >> on "options action" it is how we make genius trades. risk less to make more and that is what mike did with his bet on apple. mike was on the fence about going long the tech giant before his personal hero came on the show. >> i do think the action this morning was classic short term bottom. . >> there was a problem. back over $50,000. ould set him so to avoid ponying up that kind of cash mike sold the december strike put and collected $21. to keep all of that money mike needs the stock to stay above that price through december expiration. of course, there is a tradeoff. by selling that put mike is obligated to buy apple stock at that put strike price or for $520 even if it fal
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stocks abroad will be less vulnerable to taxes going up because more of their shareholders are not exposed to tax rates. it's a name by name basis and we like in part for its own defense business but also gulf stream is a very attractive asset that has a lot of exposure to the emerging markets with a big backlog. >> wondering, in terms of whether we go over the fiscal cliff. he says if we go over the cliff for even a matter of two months, we could see unemployment tick as high as 11%. and even though you're a long-term investor, at some point, you may look at the macro environment and say it's time to reduce some positions, at what point do you reach that tipping point? >> that's a great point. i'd be very sproized if two months resulted in an unemployment increase from 8% to 10%. i find that hard to reconcile. if we go over the fiscal cliff and there's no deal for the course of the year, we will absolutely be in another recession, no question about that. but going over the cliff for a month, it will hurt confidence, it will keep businesses on the sidelines, investors on the sideli
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would like to be optimistic. neither taxes nor spending nor entitlements were solved today. in fact, president obama never even mentioned the word spending. the one thing we do know, your taxes are going up from an obama care tax attack. no matter what happens on the fiscal cliff. and is another bailout nation on the way? student loans up to $1 trillion, huge delinquency rates, default rates going sky high, no credit standards and sky high tuition. sound likes a real bad story to me. ceos have just wrapped up their meeting with president obama about the fiscal cliff and minutes ago john harwood landed a big fish. goldman sachs ceo lloyd blank finefein. >> the highlight of the meeting was the intensity from which the white house emphasized that marge al rates as a matter of math and politics have to go up somewhat, if not all the way to 31.6 had to go up and as p he said as a necessary ingredient of a deal, he would support such a rate. >> the president said we would pursue our own interests. i'm not -- i'm certainly not insisting, i don't even desire higher rates. i think there lab
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disagreement on tax rates, tax revenues, domestic spending and entitlement reform and the clock is ticking. speaking of tax hikes, europe's grand experiment with taxing the rich more is falling apart, especially in france and britain. and here at home, california and new york are passing through the 50% tax rate barrier. is anybody looking at how tax hikes fail the test of economic growth? >>> back here in the u.s., could it be michigan which used to call itself the worker's paradise union state is now moving towards new anti-union right-to-work legislation and it looks like it's going to pass? but first up, budget talks resume between speaker john boehner and president obama today. with just 25 days to go, let's keep tabs on where we stand. reports of a conservative backlash against speaker boehner simply not true. he has the solid support of his leadership and the rank and file. but there is concern among some in the gop that they are at risk of becoming the party for rich people while president obama and democrats stake their claim on the middle class. and my tax rate flexibility with h
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republicans to give on the top rate. he said that first of all, we can't do a fundamental tax reform in the next two weeks. we simply have to have a down payment before the end of the year and then commit to tax and entitlement reform during the year of 2013. he also specified, and i think this is significant, that he thought 300 to $400 billion over ten years is about what you could raise by closing loopholes and trimming deductions. this is a -- this is a way to come to grips with how to get to the revenue target the president wants. let's first of all listen to -- we have got a piece of sound from that interview. let's listen to the president. >> when you look at how much revenue you can actually raise by closing loopholes and deductions, it's probably in the range of $3 to $400 billion. that's not enough tobalanced pl actually reduces the deficit and putts on a path to long-term stability. what i need, what the country needs what the business community needs in order to get to where we need to be is an acknowledgement that folks like me can afford to pay a little bit higher rate you if
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eventuality where we go over the cliff and we've got to deal with higher taxes and a slower economy? a lot of people expecting recession in 2013, if, in fact, this occurs. >> think about what works well in a slow-growth economy. consumer products companies do well. high dividend payers. you'll see 100 companies that have already declared dividends this month. those are the strongest companies in the market. those are the ones that can afford to buy back shares or invest in high r.o.e. projects next year. i wouldn't avoid them just thinking dividend taxes are going up. they're the strongest in the market. you also have energy infrastructure, which is paying about 6%. most of it is a return of principle. these are companies with some of the lowest cost of capital ever. high return projects, long-term contracts. the government is in support of energy independence in this country, so we don't think the taxes change for mlps and energy infrastructure investments. finally, if you like high-yield corporate bonds, we love high-yield municipal bonds where we're getting 6% federally tax free. corpor
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stocks going to be, how can i invest, how can i participate? taxes are likely to go up, but this is a lot of rattling. both sides of the aisle would come together. they'll figure out what's best. at the end of the day, they know they have to help the little guy, the consumer. pool corp. sells everything but the water. they're suppliers for the pool industry. we think they'll grow at 18%. they have very little debt. it's like an annuity. all the pools in this country are seven years old. we love that kind of stock. >> bill, i take issue with the idea this is just saber rattling. if dividends triples, that's going to have a meaningful change in the way people allocate capital going forward. we're already seeing it with special dividends this year. this is a significant change. >> this is not necessarily just, you know, the upset du jour. this can change the economic landscape in 2013 and beyond. >> that's not going to happen. >> what if we wake up on january 2nd, we go over the cliff -- >> why do you say it's not going to happen? >> human nature is to focus on all the worst possibilities. c
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Dec 4, 2012 2:00pm EST
demint said, from south carolina, said today speak speaker boehnerers a $800 billion tax hike will destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more while not reducing our $16 trillion debt by a single penny that is an indication of a minirevolt up here on capitol hill among conservatives who don't want to see taxes raised at all. very uncomfortable with that offer yesterday from the speaker's office. i have been talking to staff privately here on capitol hill, some republican staffers say they wonder whether or not even all of the members of congress who signed that letter, along with speaker boehner, some of the rest of the republican leadership, could actually vote for such a bill were it to hit the floor here. negotiations are going on, the question is how strong of a hand does john boehner have to make some concession over at the white house without losing folks up here? now, tactically this demint statement and conservative rebellion today could be useful to boehner, go back to the white house saying, look i can't go much further, see how outraged m
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Nov 29, 2012 9:00am EST
lose the core constituency that elected him. >> let's at least get the tax cuts extended for the middle class and deal with the other part later. some people may be happy to kick the can here, at least in the near term. >> i think the president is -- do you think the republicans can deliver on the republicans? i think lloyd blankfein. coming back to that quote to dave cody, terrific guy, he said listen, i find myself in the radical middle. compromise is radical right now. the stock market is saying a deal gets done by jan 1. >> yes, it is. that's what yesterday was all ball -- will lawmakers arrive at a deal to deal with the fiscal cliff? rand paul is defending the northwest pledge not to raise taxes. but the rim rally months on, this time black berberry is on rise. nobody said an inkjet had to be slow. or that printing in color had to cost a fortune. nobody said an all-in-one had to be bulky. or that you had to print from your desk. at least, nobody said it to us. introducing the business smart inkjet all-in-one series from brother. easy to use. it's the ultimate combination of
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Dec 4, 2012 6:00am EST
republican offer would overhaul the tax code and raise $800 billion in new revenue, it would also seek $600 billion in health savings and $200 billion for revising the cost of living increases for social security. the net savings would add up to $2.2 trillion over ten years. now, again, this is the republican counterproposal to the plan that the white house has already put out. speaker john boehner has said that this is something that is much closer to the bowles-simpson proposal. erskine bowles saying the gop offer does not represent the plan, he says both sides are kind of far away from it at this point and that it's now up to negotiators to figure out where the middle ground is today. >> bowles said that the mid point that i used back in -- this is where we were last year. so used the mid point of the negotiations, but it's in longer the mid point i guess. >> he also said -- he is a testimony, but he has separated himself from the administration by saying that they thoo should have taken more of their proposals more seriously. he also said last night that you will see higher ma
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Dec 4, 2012 9:00am EST
counterproposal which calls for $800 billion in new tax revenue but without tax rate increases for the wealthy. could this tax issue deadlock the talks? >>> bank of america ceo warns the cliff must get stalled or the economy could be stifled well into 2014. >>> even more dividends pushed into 2012. coach, american eagle moving up and oracle will play out three-quarters of dividends this year. >>> more strength in housing this morning. toll brothers earnings top expectations. we'll begin with the fiscal cliff. governors are set to meet today with the president and congressional leaders. governors are concerned about the impact of deficit reduction measures on their state budgebu. the latest gop offer would overhaul the tax code, raise $800 billion in new revenue but seek $600 billion in health savings, net savings add up to about $2.2 trillion over ten years. boehner called the white house's original offer la la land and it does appear that even though at one point bowles endorsed a blueprint like this, he's trying to distance himself from it right now. >> the president got re-elected. he's cla
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Dec 6, 2012 1:00pm EST
desperate one? >>> any move might be welcome down here. democrats want tax hikes on the rich. republicans want entitlement cuts. we've heard this before, haven't we? what do average americans want to see in a fiscal cliff solution. we've got the exclusive results of our exclusive cnbc all-america economic survey. >>> now to everybody's all-american, sue herera standing by at the nyse. >> you're sweet, ty. thanks. >>> we're a little bit on the downside. we really kind of retraced a little bit on the dow jones industrial average. previous to this we were solidly in the green in all three of the major market indices. the dow now down 14 1/2 points. nasdaq up eight. the s&p is down just a fraction. of course we are also watching apple on the back of yesterday's drop. the stock today is traded up $4.82. that's just under a percentage move to the plus side. it's rebounding, still at bear market territory, however. it has lost over $50 billion in market cap over the past few days alone. our bob pisani joins me here on the floor of the nyse. what are you hearing from traders? the mar
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Nov 30, 2012 12:00pm EST
he wants a deal which raises taxes on the wealthy and he'll specifically say he wants a deal that raises tax rates on the wealthy not just limits deductions and other things. interestingly, scott, on the air force flight over there a white house spokesman briefed reporters and told them he was surprised republicans were so surprised about the details of the president's offer yesterday because the president talked about so much of this stuff early on. i can tell you that offer went over like a lead balloon here on capitol hill. republican members of congress were not thrilled with $1.6 trillion in new taxes and $50 billion in new stimulus style spending. that's what the president laid down on the table yesterday. obviously it's just a marker and a first opening ploy in these negotiations. a long way to go from here. but what the president is doing now is trying to sell this plan to the american people and use that to put political pressure on republicans here in washington to agree with it. >> thanks so much. we'll monitor the president. if he says anything you need to know about w
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Dec 3, 2012 4:00am EST
jump-start budget talks which have stalled on discussions over taxes. and singapore airlines confirms it's in talks to sell its stake in virgin atlantic. delta is amongst the frontrunners. comes around quickly. december, we're already here. not long before christmas and we have the november final pmis out of the eurozone confirmed at 46.2. that was the flash, 45.4 was october. so slightly higher. the highest since march. but 46 still deep in contraction territory. output numbers, 46.1. so that's going in the right direction. and the final manufacturing pmi export orders 46.4. again, a tick higher than the 45.9 flash, the highest since march. so the contraction activity easing to an eight month low if you can explain away like that. euro-dollar 1.3026. we did gets a high as 1.3048 which would have been a six week high for euro-dollar. joining us for more is alan capp, head of credit straebtegyt lloyds. alan, let's get your reaction. the number is going in the right direction. does it make much of a difference? >> right now the equity markets have had a great run. they're looki
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Dec 3, 2012 3:00pm EST
offering multi-step solution here, including what he's after is $800 billion in revenue through tax reform. that's obviously significantly less than the $1.6 trillion the president asked for his-n his initial offer last week. other details in this offer being reported by nbc. health savings of $600 billion. other mandatory savings of $300 billion. a revision to cpi of $200 billion. and further discretionary savings of $300 billion. guys, it looks like the horse trading is alive and well here in washington. now this offer being extended from the republicans. you can assume that the white house will not think this is enough tax revenue to go forward, but, of course, offers are being exchanged here so that's a sign negotiations are under way, guys. >> let's get into the details here. $600 billion in health savings. what does that mean for medicare? break it down in terms of where these savings come from. >> i wish i could. what we don't have here is a lot of detail hanging off this christmas tree at this point. we're looking at a couple of bullet points being released now in terms of the scal
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Dec 4, 2012 4:00am EST
doesn't address the president's pledge to hike taxes on the wealthy. the plan includes $800 billion in new tax revenues by cutting loopholes and deductions, but leaves the bush era tax cuts in place for everyone. that's half of what the president has proposed. it also cut $1.2 trillion in mandatory and discretionary spending. the republican plan includes $600 billion in entitlement savings and raising the eligibility age for medicare and changing how cost of living increases are calculated for social security. white house officials say the two sides will continue to negotiate ways to avoid the year end fiscal cliff. >>> and president obama is meeting with a group u.s. governors today around 10:00 a.m. eastern. it includes jack markell, mary fallon, scott walker. the governors will discuss how the fiscal cliff will impact their states and possible solutions. it's also expected to meet with house republicans, as well, this week. >>> and oracle is amongst the latest of speeding up their dividend pay outs to avoid possible tax hikes because of the fiscal cliff. they will pay dividends a to
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Dec 3, 2012 1:00pm EST
carney's white house briefing. he was drawing again a hard line on raising tax rates for people at the top which republicans are resisting. if you want the sunday talk shows, as we show in this little montage here, you could easily come to the conclusion that this thing is stuck. >> only thing standing in the way of that would be refusal by republicans to accept that rates are going to have to go up on the wealthiest americans. i don't really see them doing that. >> i think we're going over the cliff. >> right now i would say we're nowhere. >> reporter: but i still think, tyler, that there are back-channel negotiations going on. there is the framework outside of a deal and there's a knowledge on both side that they need to get to one. so some of this is theater for the two sides' political bases. i think the underlying conditions for a deal remain in place, though there is an interesting calendar dynamic. remember, if republicans vote for an increase in the top rate for top earners before december 31st, whether it's 39.6% or 37% or 38%, that's a tax increase to republicans before d
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Nov 30, 2012 4:00pm EST
handful of pretty good selling, given the fact that people are worried about higher taxes. i guess it makes sense to unload some of your winners if you're sitting on big gains. get the 15% cap gains tax now rather than the potential of the 25% in just a couple of months. >> well, broader issue -- a lot of them have been underperforming throughout the year. s&p is up 12%. a lot of people i know are up 4, 6, 7%. that's underperformance. they have a real problem how it. they have to stay invested or find some way to outperform or they're going to have problems. so what do you do? this is a real tough situation. >> all right. thanks, everybody. appreciate it. have a good weekend. see you soon. >>> as you know, the market ending the week mixed, but we saw some wild swings following a parade of fiscal cliff comments this week. >> lawmakers expected to meet this week to work for a compromise. >> i would hope our friends on the other side can turn off the campaign. >> we could have prevented this crisis months ago by just simply adopting what we passed in the senate. >> president obama is mee
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Dec 2, 2012 11:00pm EST
, and tax it. >> terry lanni, the ceo of mgm/mirage. he says if his company could offer internet gambling, it could instantly double its $8 billion a year revenue. >> if we could add our brand and the credibility of a publicly traded united states gaming company, this could be a vast business. >> but mgm/mirage is shut out because the government says a law banning sports betting over the phone also bans all gambling on the internet. obviously, it hasn't stopped u.s. citizens from doing it, but it has stopped u.s. companies from offering it. >> the vast majority of wagers that are placed on the internet now are done offshore and illegally. and i, for one, think that to enact laws that you can't enforce makes no sense whatsoever. >> lanni and mgm/mirage set up their own offshore gambling website a few years ago, but to stay within the law, they could only accept bets from gamblers outside the u.s. >> we just didn't make any money; that was the problem. >> so you shut it down. >> we did. >> it's all very odd. >> well, no, it is odd. there's no doubt about that. i mean, there's gamin
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Dec 7, 2012 2:00pm EST
. can the state price legal taxed marijuana to be competitive with tax-free illegal pot on the street? as people celebrate in seattle, even though smoking anything in public is still against the law there, the market will have to figure out if the cost of complying with regulation and taxes in a legal pot world is more or less than the security cost criminals factor into their pricing for running an illegal enterprise. washington state says it'll take a year to set up its pol pot bureaucracy. it estimates tax revenues from marijuana will grow to $560,000 in 2013 to almost ten times that amount in 2015. it's even analyzed pricing, quote, medical marijuana dispensary prices on average range between $10 and $15 per gram with some proceed yum products exceeding $15 per gram. producer price is $3 per gram. the processer price is $6 per gram. no price elasticity is assumed. that may be a bad assumption. in colorado, the governor has yet to sign the pot law voters passed there. democratic congressman told us before the election they have to figure out what this means in terms of whether the
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Dec 7, 2012 1:00pm EST
tell me anything because i'm starting to convince myself that this is far more about taxes than other reasons. >> i would guarantee if there is a fiscal cliff agreement, this stock shoots up big time. >> capital gains. that's all about capital gains in my mind. i cited other things i think are a problem but capital gains is why they're selling. >> have a great weekend, everybody. "power" starts right now. >> announcer: halftime is over. "power lunch" and the second half of the trading day start right now. >>> indeed it does. and today on "power lunch," no progress. a very stark assessment from the house speaker on where the fiscal cliff talks stand with 24 days to go. where should you put your money heading into this weekend? could be a very crucial weekend. >>> no worries. with the unemployment rate still near an 8% level, why some companies can't find workers. there's work and it is not a skills gap. we'll show you what else is being factored in to that equation. >>> and no fair, perhaps? well, a big change at big blue. ibm changing the way it pays down its 401(k). will other
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Dec 5, 2012 9:00am EST
because capital gains taxes are going up. could be a fiscal cliff. the gulf is hotter than it's ever been even a few years ago it was ice cold. >> big story in the journal about exploration in this country. production 15-year high. brand new chapter here. look at the bottom of your screen. citigroup is cutting 11,000 jobs. we want to get to kayla tausche with more on that. >> we have a release that just hit the wire in citigroup where those jobs are coming from and a charge that the company plans to take in the fourth quarter because of these job cuts even though it expects them to generate $900 million in cost savings next year. interestingly this is the first move toward really slimming down citi by the new ceo. he has a quote in here saying these actions are logical next steps in citi's transformation and says they're committed to strategy that continues to leverage in the global banking market. if you go through the list of where these jobs are actually coming from, institutional clients group which is investment banking a quarter of the job cuts are going to come from there. my
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Dec 7, 2012 5:00pm EST
specific things going on here. to me we had tax selling and a whole host of reasons that came up this week. i am going to break it down. it was not important what they are but the fever is broken in the name. the story is broken at least on this euphoric run. here is a company that is facing what most every other hardware company has faced, margin compression and now they are starting to miss earnings. the law of large numbers has just kicked in here and i think investors are going to have to get used to a 10% goer. >> the question is it now priced accordingly or is there more down side because it should anticipate earnings growth? >> i think what you are seeing is selling pressure. i don't know that it is unreasonably priced based on fundamentals here. what is amazing is the volatility. you wouldn't expect to see it moving alt a 40% volatility. it is really elevated the options premium. i look at the stock and think where this stock is concerned i would not use options to make options bet long. >> using short option positions to take a directional bet. you have to define a risk becau
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Dec 5, 2012 12:00pm EST
people are getting worried that have been in the stock for a long time about the taxes next year, the headlines, sell, sell, sell, old newspapers, business daily, so taking profits. simple. >> joe terranova was sitting right where you are yesterday, that he had trimmed the timing certainly seems to be -- >> there's no rush to buy, is the bottom line. >> the technicals don't look that good, absolutely that's the case, but in addition to that, the stock has missed earns two straight quarters. you need to see apple perform in the coming quarter. >> you buy it here? >> i think a lot of this stuff gets important, but the chatter about the firm today, how much apple could be sitting number one. what we're doing here is taking price and trying to retrofit it with fundamental reasons where maybe some don't exist. a lot of it is mechanical, as some of the other guys have mentioned. with huge gains, you have uncertainty in terms of what the tax ramifications are to hold this into january, so why not trim, especially giving the b bottom that this stock has had. it had a huge snap back. none of t
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Dec 4, 2012 5:00pm EST
about taxes going up next year they seem to have passed, as well. the long exposure has gone down from say plus 50% net long to down about 30. that is primarily because people are worried about the fiscal cliff. we don't think that the outcome is completely negatively priced into the market. that is more or less where we stand on that. i do think that there is a couple of great trends for next year which includes europe with the recovery there as it relates to corporate restructuring and banks selling assets. and we also think that there will be funds like john paulson's recovery fund to do well. >> as we head into the end of the year, is there no chase per performance? is there no pressure on the part of hedge funds to make up for that in the last few weeks of the year? >> there is no question that there is pressure. i think that you saw net long exposure widen out and get into the 50s but with the rhetoric coming out of washington now if you asked me three weeks ago if i thought a deal was going to get done i would have said yes. it does seem like a chicken fight here towards the end
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Dec 2, 2012 6:00am EST
is irrespective on the tax laws on dividends. although, clearly, if you think there is potential they will change they should be doing it now. >> we should note that scott has a web extra on how to spot dividends. better log on to that. >>> time for the upside call where we take a look back on winning trades and give you the next move. a couple weeks back when apple shares were in free fall, mike khouw made a bullish trade. the call has been pure genius. >> on "options action" it is how we make genius trades. risk less to make more and that is what mike did with his bet on apple. mike was on the fence about going long the tech giant before his personal hero came on the show. >> i do think the action this morning was classic short term bottom. >> wow mike thought. if he's going in on apple, so am i? but there was a problem. buying 100 shares would set him back over $50,000. >> wow! >> so to avoid ponying up that kind of cash mike sold the december strike put and collected $21. to keep all of that money mike needs apple stock to stay above that price through december expiration. of
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Dec 6, 2012 2:00pm EST
months' time. is it because of margin requirements? is it because of capital gains taxes? is it because of slowdowns in smartphones? is it alien invasion? what is it? >> it is mayans -- i don't know. i'll tell you that i think the way to look at this is, everyone's getting very, very dramatic because it's a big price stock. it is $700 down to $500 or $550. it looks like it is this huge thing. in the meantime there have been ten of these 30% corrections in apple's run-up in the last five or six years. it is a very regularly occurring thing. it is just that it started from a very high base. the thing to keep in mind, there is going to be selling pressure on this stock just for the fact that he ever one's got big gains in it and there is uncertainty about what the tax rate will be on capital gains next year. nobody should be surprised by this. what's very encouraging, in the wake of this stock coming down $150 a share and being such a huge weighting in the nasdaq and the s&p, the markets have essentially digested this move. other stocks have gone up. yesterday is a great example. i think i
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Dec 7, 2012 4:00am EST
renew the negotiations. and are you earning $250,000, worried about having to pay more tax? you may be able to earn up to $300,000 and not have to hand over more cash to the irs. head to cnbc.com for more. and victor hugo's classic thofl about life, love and hitting the big screen. carolyn went to speak to the stars of the film to find out why the classic story still resonates. ♪ >> i think human truths are human truths and there's also a certain cycle to the world. >> just a look at the world and humanity, and we'll always be moved by a passion for fighting for what we believe in, we've always been moved by love. >> the power of redemption are all themes that transcend time. >> les mis has been performed 10,000 times and seen by 16 people worldwide. and now it's a major motion picture featuring hugh jackman and anne hathaway. so what does it take to transform wolverine and cat woman into the iconic characters. >> i wore contact lenses to get the redness in the eyes. i spent time in a prison here in london just to talk with police they ares a prisoners and soak up 59 atmosphere. >
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